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SibLim - the setup

  • 24 Nov 2015 07:19
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    Watching with interest and awe at the rate of progress. ..I wish Befur  (sy-befur.co.uk) was progressing so quickly ☺ Well done...
  • 23 Nov 2015 23:45
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    David Tyler wrote:So ... just who is checking in on a regular basis? How many followers of the SibLim project are there? Don't lurk, post a comment or two in this topic!

    Just wanted to drop in and say that I'm super excited to see that the two of your are doing this together. An open-source, community-built boat if you may. Love it!
  • 20 Nov 2015 21:34
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    More photos in my albums.
  • 19 Nov 2015 06:58
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    David Thatcher wrote:
    Paul Thompson wrote:
    Annie Hill wrote:
        I have never met anyone who, hand on heart, can claim the sliding hatch didn't leak in extremis - just when you don't want it to leak.  Driving rain from astern can be an issue, too.  As well, they tend to be either so stiff as to need brute force to open them, or so slippery that you need to secure them open or shut.  As I see no reason for a larger entrance than I will have, I see no need to risk a sliding hatch!
    I'm with Annie on this one, sliding hatches are a monumental pain in the butt. Inconvenient to use as they are slow to open and close. Worse is they all leak... you can make them water resistant but never waterproof... and I cannot abide water inside a boat. LC has a door, it is inconvenient at times but it never leaks and entering or leaving is quick when you need it to be.

    LC's door




    Now, I have to disagree on this one!! I have always had sliding hatches and as long as they are well built and have a cover over the forward end which the hatch slides under then they should be fine. I did have one sliding hatch that leaked but that was a forward facing companionway and the hatch did not slide under a cover. I find the current arrangement with the companionway on Footprints to work extremely well, that is the sliding hatch with washboards surrounded by the solid dodger which is only just wider than the companionway and extends aft of it by about 400mm. On our trip back from New Caledonia in heavy seas with waves washing continuously across the deck and the cockpit well a third full of water most of the time, not a single drop of water found it's way into the interior of the boat. We left the lower washboard in place and were able to sit on the top step of the companionway and have a good view all round whilst keeping dry. Because of the dodger we were able to leave the hatch open which allowed very welcome light and air into the interior of the boat. The hatch slides easily and each washboard fits into a storage slot on either side of the dodger. The only way I can think of to improve the arrangement would be to replace the washboards with a door each side which clips back when open - one project I have not gotten to yet.

    Re the forward facing companionway, once I had fitted a solid dodger to the forward end of that particular cockpit and built a cover for the hatch to slide into that companionway never leaked again through 3 years of living onboard and 6 ocean crossings. The one thing against sliding hatches is that they are a lot more time consuming to build well.



    Horses for courses :-) I'll standby my remarks and for me, it's undoubtedly the way to go.
  • 18 Nov 2015 06:52
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    I'm with Voltaire on this one. To misquote: "I disagree with what Annie wants, but I defend to the death her right to have it, as she's paying the bills and it's her boat".

    It's very clear that the great majority of modern production boats have sliding hatches that go into housings on the deck for good reasons: they are easy to make, they don't leak, and they permit easy ingress and egress. That doesn't mean to say that everyone will be happy with them, just that the majority are happy with them. 

    In my last three boats, I've had three different styles of companionway:

    1. On Llliutro, I had a hinged hatch, which was at an angle of 45 degrees to horizontal with the hinges at the top edge, and which overlapped the usual sliding washboards. That was OK for coastal cruising - leakproof and convenient, with good height of access.
    2. On Ivory Gull, I had no sliding or hinged hatch, and double doors. That was OK for coastal cruising, but I wouldn't have been happy to go ocean cruising, as double doors are not particularly strong against solid water from astern.
    3. On Tystie, I have a sliding hatch and a sliding, captive, lift-up washboard. This is my favourite arrangement, for both coastal and ocean cruising. I have easy access, a good seat with good views with the hatch open, and good protection under the pramhood with the hatch closed.
    All of which goes to show that there are more ways of killing a cat than choking it with cream.
  • 18 Nov 2015 02:29
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    Paul Thompson wrote:
    Annie Hill wrote:
        I have never met anyone who, hand on heart, can claim the sliding hatch didn't leak in extremis - just when you don't want it to leak.  Driving rain from astern can be an issue, too.  As well, they tend to be either so stiff as to need brute force to open them, or so slippery that you need to secure them open or shut.  As I see no reason for a larger entrance than I will have, I see no need to risk a sliding hatch!
    I'm with Annie on this one, sliding hatches are a monumental pain in the butt. Inconvenient to use as they are slow to open and close. Worse is they all leak... you can make them water resistant but never waterproof... and I cannot abide water inside a boat. LC has a door, it is inconvenient at times but it never leaks and entering or leaving is quick when you need it to be.

    LC's door




    Now, I have to disagree on this one!! I have always had sliding hatches and as long as they are well built and have a cover over the forward end which the hatch slides under then they should be fine. I did have one sliding hatch that leaked but that was a forward facing companionway and the hatch did not slide under a cover. I find the current arrangement with the companionway on Footprints to work extremely well, that is the sliding hatch with washboards surrounded by the solid dodger which is only just wider than the companionway and extends aft of it by about 400mm. On our trip back from New Caledonia in heavy seas with waves washing continuously across the deck and the cockpit well a third full of water most of the time, not a single drop of water found it's way into the interior of the boat. We left the lower washboard in place and were able to sit on the top step of the companionway and have a good view all round whilst keeping dry. Because of the dodger we were able to leave the hatch open which allowed very welcome light and air into the interior of the boat. The hatch slides easily and each washboard fits into a storage slot on either side of the dodger. The only way I can think of to improve the arrangement would be to replace the washboards with a door each side which clips back when open - one project I have not gotten to yet.

    Re the forward facing companionway, once I had fitted a solid dodger to the forward end of that particular cockpit and built a cover for the hatch to slide into that companionway never leaked again through 3 years of living onboard and 6 ocean crossings. The one thing against sliding hatches is that they are a lot more time consuming to build well.



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  • 18 Nov 2015 00:50
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    Annie Hill wrote:
    David Tyler wrote:

    another change I would make would be to replace Annie's bi-fold washboard with a single fold-down or slide-down washboard, raising the sill height; and then adding a sliding hatch and garage. I have a sketch design of a way of incorporating a rotating pramhood into this arrangement, but I have been unable to convince Annie of its merits. I would want a settee berth near the centreline, for cat-napping, but this is probably a matter of personal choice.

    I have lived with a single fold-down washboard and much prefer the 'stable door' arrangement.  It's great to be able to have the top open when it's raining, or just for a short while in winter when the sun is shining and warming the place up, when having the whole companionway open is too much of a good thing.

    I have never met anyone who, hand on heart, can claim the sliding hatch didn't leak in extremis - just when you don't want it to leak.  Driving rain from astern can be an issue, too.  As well, they tend to be either so stiff as to need brute force to open them, or so slippery that you need to secure them open or shut.  As I see no reason for a larger entrance than I will have, I see no need to risk a sliding hatch!

    I'm with Annie on this one, sliding hatches are a monumental pain in the butt. Inconvenient to use as they are slow to open and close. Worse is they all leak... you can make them water resistant but never waterproof... and I cannot abide water inside a boat. LC has a door, it is inconvenient at times but it never leaks and entering or leaving is quick when you need it to be.

    LC's door
  • 17 Nov 2015 21:27
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    Great photos, really coming on this week.  Very envious of the shorts and T shirts, it's pretty awful over here in the UK, got stuck in Bergen on Friday night and was kept awake by the hail all night!
  • 17 Nov 2015 19:55
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    David Tyler wrote:

    another change I would make would be to replace Annie's bi-fold washboard with a single fold-down or slide-down washboard, raising the sill height; and then adding a sliding hatch and garage. I have a sketch design of a way of incorporating a rotating pramhood into this arrangement, but I have been unable to convince Annie of its merits. I would want a settee berth near the centreline, for cat-napping, but this is probably a matter of personal choice.

    I have lived with a single fold-down washboard and much prefer the 'stable door' arrangement.  It's great to be able to have the top open when it's raining, or just for a short while in winter when the sun is shining and warming the place up, when having the whole companionway open is too much of a good thing.

    I have never met anyone who, hand on heart, can claim the sliding hatch didn't leak in extremis - just when you don't want it to leak.  Driving rain from astern can be an issue, too.  As well, they tend to be either so stiff as to need brute force to open them, or so slippery that you need to secure them open or shut.  As I see no reason for a larger entrance than I will have, I see no need to risk a sliding hatch!
  • 17 Nov 2015 19:48
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    Beautiful work Annie. I bet you would have become a great welder as well, if you decided for it.

    Cheers, Arne 

    Thanks for that, Arne: all compliments gratefully received!  However, I don't think I'd have ever made a welder.  To me, metal is noisy, dirty, unaesthetic, cold and unpleasant to work with.  Someone once offered to teach my how to weld and I refused without so much as a second thought.  I don't often turn down the opportunity of learning a new skill!
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