practical displacement limit for yuloh

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  • 23 Mar 2015 23:09
    Reply # 3263354 on 3259266

    I really like the yuloh on my boat, which is built light (the yuloh) because it's only a 20 foot boat. When studying about making a yuloh I read work by Jerome (Jay) Fitzgerald (several books, easily found by googling his name and sailing), who used his on a heavy displacement cruising sailboat that I think is something like 45 feet long. He built the handle end out of a 4 x 4, talking about how hard he leans into it.

    I used to sail a Falmouth cutter 22, which is a pretty heavy boat. I had the perhaps bad habit of sculling with the rudder, using the tiller, to do things like get the last little bit into a harbor, or around an obstacle when the wind died and the current was problematic. This boat displaced something like 7000 pounds, loaded. Getting the boat started moving by rudder-sculling, at first you would think nothing was happening, then gradually the boat would start to move through the water. Once it had gotten going, with just moderate effort I could keep it going at 1.5 knots. That's just with the rudder, nevermind the possibilities with a proper yuloh.

    With the present boat, if I start gradually with the yuloh it's the same thing – no instant movement, but pretty soon it starts to go. Or if I'm feeling particularly energetic, I can get it moving right away, using more vigorous strokes. But it doesn't seem to matter to the boat – a more paced approach, or the quick version – it gets going either way, gradually or more quickly.

    We used the design guidelines laid out by Slieve, and it seems to work quite well. The article by Bob Groves, about the yuloh on Easy Go, was also quite helpful. That article can be found here.

    Cheers,
    Shemaya

  • 23 Mar 2015 22:39
    Reply # 3263332 on 3261524
    Ben wrote:

    While the amount of HP a human can produce may be the limiting factor, from my experience with rowing sailboats, the length of the oar, the size of the blades, the distance of the fulcrum, the body position seated or standing, technique, etc. has a great deal to due with how well the boat responds to the HP generated.

    Surely there are yuloh designs that would improve the application of that limited HP.

    I was talking to Alan on Zebedee about his yuloh, yesterday.  He would come on this forum with his knowledge, but has very limited access to the Internet.  Alan has had his boat for, I think, 14 years, has circumnavigated and has never had an engine, apart from one he borrowed to go through Panama.  He has spent a lot of time sailing in areas of light winds and has yulohed for hours and hours on end.  His thinking is that the size of the yuloh is limited by the size of the boat, and, less importantly, the necessity of stowing it.  There's a good photo of it on page 10 of magazine 56.  He also said that he reckons Slieve's design should work very well.
  • 23 Mar 2015 16:07
    Reply # 3262832 on 3259266
    Deleted user

    A longer lever from the fulcrum on the handle side, would seem to increase the power but also the range of motion. With a curved handle you could accomplish the increased angle  of attack described in the previous post by just moving farther away from the fulcrum as the boat picked up speed.

  • 23 Mar 2015 15:50
    Reply # 3262674 on 3259266
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Actually a single yuloh has infinitely many gears, so you don't need more than one. Low gear is with fine pitch (little twist), used as you start, or against a headwind, and then, as the boat gains speed, one gradually increases the pitch. What one needs is a yuloh blade that is big enough to produce the start up thrust for the size of the boat. It seems that big is beautiful, in this case.

    Arne

  • 23 Mar 2015 15:15
    Reply # 3262633 on 3259266
    Deleted user

    I don't know but that is an interesting thought, similar to changing gears on a bicycle.

    I think I will start another topic along the bicycle line of thought as I have wondered about it before.

  • 22 Mar 2015 21:07
    Reply # 3261549 on 3259266
    Might the answer be - 2 Yoluhs? One with a smaller area and higher stroke rate to get the initial movement and a 2nd with larger area to maintain the momentum after it has been gained.
  • 22 Mar 2015 20:47
    Reply # 3261524 on 3259266
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    While the amount of HP a human can produce may be the limiting factor, from my experience with rowing sailboats, the length of the oar, the size of the blades, the distance of the fulcrum, the body position seated or standing, technique, etc. has a great deal to due with how well the boat responds to the HP generated.

    Surely there are yuloh designs that would improve the application of that limited HP.

  • 22 Mar 2015 20:25
    Reply # 3261520 on 3259266

    Isn't the limited amount of horsepower available the limiting factor? One man generates a small fraction of a horsepower. Even a racing cyclist, the most efficient form of human power, as used for human powered flight, generates less than half a horsepower. A heavy boat needs more horsepower, ie, more humans. I got the chance to use a ro (the Japanese yuloh) on a Japanese replica fishing boat, with four ros a side.  It was hard work to make three knots in calm conditions. 

  • 22 Mar 2015 20:05
    Reply # 3261511 on 3259266
    Deleted user

    Lets focus on one man operating the yuloh. What properties of the design would help create more power to move a higher displacement sailboat?

    I have rowed a 2 ton displacement sailboat with a set of oars, standing up, facing forward, fisherman style, 338 miles through the Erie canal. So my view of what is possible as far as rowing sailboats is outside most peoples comfort level.

    What would you consider the upper limits?

    I would think the difficulty would be in getting the sailboat up to speed, the inertia would help keep it moving along with less effort, from my experience.

    Longer lever arm, broader blade, longer blade, multiple blades on one arm, what would it take to increase the power?

  • 21 Mar 2015 23:55
    Reply # 3260907 on 3259266
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    An uncertain factor is how many men were swinging each yuloh...

    Arne 

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