Need information on Nonsuch 30 conversion to JR

  • 17 Mar 2016 19:46
    Reply # 3887815 on 3880990
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Lester,
    I am not at all sure if I would recommend shortening the Nonsuch’s original mast by chopping it off in the lower end. The bending moment at the partners, needed to heel the boat over to 60°, is the same, whether you use a long or short mast, as long as the boat is the same. (same beam, weight and ballast).

    There is an alternative to spilling winds by bending the mast: Ease the sheet and/or drop a few panels. If you on a fine Sunday come pottering downwind, and don’t notice the grey-black wall of a thunderstorm coming up behind you, you can still save the day by just dumping all but the two top panels. Makes you feel lucky you have a junk rig...

    Arne

    PS: BTW, the sail I sketched for you is just about the same shape as the sail of a former boat of mine, Johanna (SA=48sqm, B=5.80m, AR=1.87). She worked well with that rig.

     

  • 17 Mar 2016 18:39
    Reply # 3887660 on 3885072
    Deleted user
    Annie Hill wrote:
      Yes, one has to develop a thick skin when converting to junk rig.  I have to confess to being completely fed-up with the negativism I encounter when mentioning the conversion of very ordinary, plastic boats to junk rig.  You'd think it was an original Fife teak and mahogany classic from the response. 

    And that old chestnut - but it won't go to windward.  Sigh.

    However, the good side of this is that junkies become a good community, simply because it's so nice to be able to discuss rig ideas and issues with people who understand and empathise with what one is doing!

    Annie, in summary; Its a matter of trimming our sails to the winds of nature - Aboard and Ashore......
  • 17 Mar 2016 18:34
    Reply # 3887648 on 3880990
    Deleted user

     Arne,

     Thanks for your comments; that's what I like about this JRA site, there are always  curious inquisitive minds at work using intuition and imaginative creativity. Your efforts with the sailplan were Awesome!

     These NS 30 boats are known for having a capsize ratio over 2.0 and I'm thinking that less sail area and a shorter mast may be the E-ticket; it even introduces the possibility of keeping the lower mast section as a tabernacle and keeping the top tapered section for spilling gusts.....hmmmm.  I applaud your effort.

    Lester

  • 17 Mar 2016 09:48
    Reply # 3886759 on 3880990
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Lester

    This boat made me curious, so I tried to sketch up a sloop junksail to sit on the original mast. That wasn’t as easy as I thought, with the mast tucked that close to the bow. A confusing factor is that the original sail appears to be bigger than the 540sq ft (50.2sqm)  in the brochure. Am I doing something seriously wrong here?

    Anyway, I have stored the sailplan with comments on “my” JRA page, here  -  or you can open it with this link..

    Arne

    PS: As for fear of negative comments; I seem to be lucky to live in Stavanger. People here are curious about the JR, in a positive way. I can understand their slight reluctance to converting their own boat, as that is mainly a DIY project. The challenge is to produce good enough info or instructions on how to do it, to make it easier to get started.

     

    Last modified: 17 Mar 2016 09:48 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 16 Mar 2016 19:21
    Reply # 3885072 on 3884941
    Michael Lester wrote:

    Chris,    Thanks for the reply. The 'list' was my first stop in searching. I'm sure it would be considered blasphemy to ask on the Nonsuch site; so I intend to avoid the drama. Thanks for your info again.

    Cheers,

    Lester

    Yes, one has to develop a thick skin when converting to junk rig.  I have to confess to being completely fed-up with the negativism I encounter when mentioning the conversion of very ordinary, plastic boats to junk rig.  You'd think it was an original Fife teak and mahogany classic from the response. 

    And that old chestnut - but it won't go to windward.  Sigh.

    However, the good side of this is that junkies become a good community, simply because it's so nice to be able to discuss rig ideas and issues with people who understand and empathise with what one is doing!

  • 16 Mar 2016 17:45
    Reply # 3884941 on 3880990
    Deleted user

    Chris,    Thanks for the reply. The 'list' was my first stop in searching. I'm sure it would be considered blasphemy to ask on the Nonsuch site; so I intend to avoid the drama. Thanks for your info again.

    Cheers,

    Lester

  • 15 Mar 2016 10:03
    Reply # 3881516 on 3880990
    Anonymous

    Lester

    I'm not aware of any, and there are none on our list of boats which have been converted, although quite a few Freedoms (similar original rig) have been converted.

    If anyone else knows of a Nonsuch conversion please let us know so we can add it to  the list.

    Chris

  • 15 Mar 2016 01:10
    Message # 3880990
    Deleted user

     I know I've seen photographs in previous searches; but I can't find any now.

    Any redirection links, forum discussions, or comments would be greatly appreciated.

    Cheers,

    Lester

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