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  • 08 Apr 2012 16:50
    Reply # 884753 on 818287

    Hi,

    If you want to buy a boat in Europe, check out the prices in Norway. Try www.finn.no and be amazed. Small boats are cheep here, as nobody wants them.

    Regards

    Ketil

  • 08 Apr 2012 06:47
    Reply # 884564 on 838240
    Arne Kverneland wrote:

                                                                       Stavanger, Tuesday

    Plan B, a container

    All the proposed designs in this thread are in my eyes rather short, heavy and tubby and will make that long voyage slow and uncomfortable. I shudder when thinking of how it would be to tack up the looong Red Sea in a short, wide, over-loaded, dory. Much of the coast lining that sea means nothing but trouble either.

    Peter, would it be an idea to check what it costs to hire an ISO container and have it shipped to the UK? In addition to taking your boat, this of course could also be filled up with your household belongings, furniture, books or whatever and make moving home easier. This could free you from looking for a mini round-the-world boat and rather aim for a boat you can use along the coast and rivers in both China and the UK. Just an idea.

    Anyway, good luck!

    Arne


    I have been thinking about Arne's comments.  Suddenly it struck that maybe I have been looking at this from the wrong angle........  It is just as cheap to ship a container from China to the UK as it is to do it in reverse!  So I have started to look at secondhand boats in the UK.  A 40' high cube container has an internal width of 2.33m and a door height of 2.56m.  It would seem that many 'folkboat' inspired designs would just squeeze in.  The Contessa 26 has always been a favourite boat of mine. and I think they are well up to the job!!  So now I am looking at this option.  Many boats needing a refit are fairly cheap.  But it also started me thinking about what other designs are available in other parts of the world.  For example I have not heard or seen Annie's boat before.  Anyone care to offer some suggestions.....  The beam of the boat is not critical if the keel can be removed without too much destruction.   

    Peter

  • 10 Mar 2012 18:53
    Reply # 853527 on 853389
    Jonathan Snodgrass wrote:

     I would really like to have had a rainbow coloured sail but when it came to put new sails on Lexia I was assured by the professional experts that it was not possible ... Dull !!

    It's possible, of course. Just not in the usual polyester sailcloth that a professional sailmaker will want to use. Odyssey III and Mustang are available in a wide range of colours, and cambered panel sails have about the same number of panels as there are colours in the spectrum.
    But I've stayed with boring old Cream for my new sail...
  • 10 Mar 2012 16:04
    Reply # 853457 on 818287

    Ah, indeed.  Thanks.  In the words of the man ...

    Let it never be said, "He took himself too seriously."

     

  • 10 Mar 2012 15:13
    Reply # 853409 on 853389
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    Jonathan Snodgrass wrote:

     Maybe Alan or someone more knowledgeable than me could find it on the web and give a link.  I would really like to have had a rainbow coloured sail but when it came to put new sails on Lexia I was assured by the professional experts that it was not possible ... Dull !!

    "Do you smell that? DO YOU SMELL THAT?"
          "What?"
          "Epoxy, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that.
          I love the smell of epoxy in the morning. The smell, you know, that resin smell.
          It the smells like... boatbuilding."

    "Maddog!" - from the movie EPOXYLIPS NOW


  • 10 Mar 2012 14:36
    Reply # 853389 on 818287

    Well spotted David, not much escapes your notice. 

    However, Alan Maddog MacBride does things his way: 

    I noticed in 2005 that in 2001 he posted (Albatross' Adventure Page 26 Colorful Sail)  a diagram of a rainbow sail with different coloured panels of Sunbrella material on a side view of a Penny;  from the top: Logo Red, Orange, Sunflower Yellow, Aquamarine, Sea Grass Green, Pacific Blue and Periwinkle.   I don't know whether he ever made it.  I was so taken by it that I kept a paper copy but cannot now find it on the www.   As he wrote:  "Why should the spinnaker crowd have all the fun.  White sails are so boring ... tanbark is sooo, hmmm ... traditional."  (However, the alternative tartan sail was probably a bit OTT ... !) Maybe Alan or someone more knowledgeable than me could find it on the web and give a link.  I would really like to have had a rainbow coloured sail but when it came to put new sails on Lexia I was assured by the professional experts that it was not possible ... Dull !!

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  • 10 Mar 2012 04:46
    Reply # 853245 on 852604
    Peter Scandling wrote:

    I've just come across the Mcnaughton design website.  They have a design called "Penny" 25' junk rig etc.  http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/penny.htm  I am wondering why nobody has mentioned this design on here?  Anyone seen/own/heard of this boat? 

    Peter

     

     

    Alan MacBride (see members' directory) is building a "Penny".
  • 09 Mar 2012 14:01
    Reply # 852604 on 818287

    I've just come across the Mcnaughton design website.  They have a design called "Penny" 25' junk rig etc.  http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/penny.htm  I am wondering why nobody has mentioned this design on here?  Anyone seen/own/heard of this boat? 

    Peter

     

     

  • 07 Mar 2012 03:05
    Reply # 849836 on 849166
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    Peter Scandling wrote:

    I've just been speaking to a sailing friend and he had an interesting idea......... a steel boat??  I don't know much about metal boats.  But metalwork here in China is cheap as chips.....

    Any thoughts?  Anyone sailing a metal boat?

     

    Peter

    I'm surprised steel is cheap as chips anywhere. Bit of a premium at the moment, the raw material (from guess where?) increased 10 fold in a few years (causing diplomatic strife between Aus & China). Price is on par with lead and aluminium - which is unbelievable, so..
  • 06 Mar 2012 20:45
    Reply # 849468 on 849166
    Peter Scandling wrote:

    I've just been speaking to a sailing friend and he had an interesting idea......... a steel boat??  I don't know much about metal boats.  But metalwork here in China is cheap as chips.....

    Any thoughts?  Anyone sailing a metal boat?

     

    Peter

    Peter,
    Steel has the one advantage of being stronger than almost everything else. Other than that, it has a list of disadvantages:
    You can't have a small steel sailing boat, the weight's against it. Sensible steel cruising yachts start at about 30ft.
    Constant maintenance, touching up rust spots.
    Cold and noisy.
    Dirty and unpleasant to build in (OK if someone else does it!)

    Aluminium is a different matter. A good boatbuilding material, but I don't know whether it's as cheap as chips in China. Probably not.
    Also, remember that the work and the cost of the hull is only 10  - 20% of the work and the cost of the finished vessel.
    I'll stick with plywood/epoxy/glass as the friendliest, most liveable-with, lowest maintenance material.

    Go on, steel boat owners, tell me I'm wrong!!
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